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Motor Guide Results

Here is your handy guide to the motors that might work with your rocket. We found 15 motors that fit and appear to have enough thrust (741 motors didn't fit, 41 motors failed safety checks). 56 motor had thrust curves available and 117 flight simulations were performed. Browse the motors that did and didn't work right here or download the results as a spreadsheet.

The Rocket

Rocket Name:   PML 1/4 Patriot
Owner: Richard Vanleer
Body Diameter: 4.00in
Dry Weight: 75.5oz
MMT Diameter: 38.0mm
MMT Length: 9.25in
CD: 0.38

Motors That Work

These motors fit your rocket and appear to have enough thrust to lift it safely. If thrust curves are available, a quick simulation has been run to give a rough idea of the performance of your rocket on this motor. We encourage you to run a more complete simulation with any motor you plan to use; see the simulators page for more info.

  Motor Weight Launch Velocity Accel Altitude Time Delay
OK AeroTech G339 81.9oz 63ft/s 148ft/s 15.6G 338ft 4.7s 4s
warningsW AeroTech H283 84.2oz 58ft/s 250ft/s 13.3G 888ft 7.5s 7s
OK AeroTech H130 83.9oz 51ft/s 234ft/s 10.1G 949ft 7.9s 6s
OK AeroTech H669 84.4oz 90ft/s 294ft/s 46.2G 1,071ft 7.9s 8s
OK AeroTech H219 84.7oz 52ft/s 286ft/s 11.5G 1,146ft 8.5s 7s
OK Loki H160 87.3oz 54ft/s 284ft/s 10.9G 1,239ft 8.9s 7s
OK Cesaroni H400 85.5oz 62ft/s 328ft/s 17.8G 1,311ft 8.9s 8s
OK Cesaroni H225 82.3oz 48ft/s 343ft/s 10.3G 1,487ft 9.6s 8s
OK AeroTech I218 88.6oz 51ft/s 362ft/s 10.6G 1,703ft 10.2s 9s
OK AeroTech H550 86.9oz 81ft/s 402ft/s 25.9G 1,742ft 9.9s 9s
OK AeroTech I180 89.1oz 59ft/s 348ft/s 13.6G 1,754ft 10.4s 8s
OK AeroTech H550 86.6oz 82ft/s 405ft/s 26.1G 1,754ft 10.0s 9s
OK AeroTech H999 87.2oz 105ft/s 421ft/s 65.3G 1,800ft 10.0s 10s
OK AeroTech I245 88.4oz 61ft/s 399ft/s 15.9G 1,966ft 10.7s 9s
OK AeroTech I357 87.6oz 61ft/s 411ft/s 14.6G 1,986ft 10.8s 9s

W Motor total weight unknown, lift-off Weight not accurate.

Don't like the units? Login to set your preferences. Don't understand the results? See the motor guide help page.

Motors That Fail

These motors fit your rocket, but failed one safety check or another. They may actually work, but you should use them only with caution. We encourage you to run a more complete simulation to verify flight safety; see the simulators page for more info.

  Motor Reason
failedG AeroTech G67 speed at end of launch guide too slow (27ft/s)
failedG Loki G69 speed at end of launch guide too slow (28ft/s)
failedG AeroTech G61 speed at end of launch guide too slow (25ft/s)
failedG Loki G70 speed at end of launch guide too slow (29ft/s)
failedG Loki G94 speed at end of launch guide too slow (34ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G69 speed at end of launch guide too slow (25ft/s)
failedG Loki G80 speed at end of launch guide too slow (32ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G46 speed at end of launch guide too slow (20ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G185 speed at end of launch guide too slow (41ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G79 speed at end of launch guide too slow (24ft/s)
failedG Loki G66 speed at end of launch guide too slow (31ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G60 speed at end of launch guide too slow (26ft/s)
failedG AeroTech G69 speed at end of launch guide too slow (25ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G58 speed at end of launch guide too slow (20ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G115 speed at end of launch guide too slow (33ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G78 speed at end of launch guide too slow (26ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni G50 speed at end of launch guide too slow (18ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H73 speed at end of launch guide too slow (24ft/s)
failedG Loki H100 speed at end of launch guide too slow (34ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H148 speed at end of launch guide too slow (42ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H123 speed at end of launch guide too slow (36ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H100 speed at end of launch guide too slow (32ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H242 speed at end of launch guide too slow (47ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H123 speed at end of launch guide too slow (32ft/s)
failedG Loki H90 speed at end of launch guide too slow (35ft/s)
failedG Loki H144 speed at end of launch guide too slow (47ft/s)
failedG Loki H125 speed at end of launch guide too slow (43ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H143 speed at end of launch guide too slow (34ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H120 speed at end of launch guide too slow (34ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H112 speed at end of launch guide too slow (28ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H110 speed at end of launch guide too slow (30ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H152 speed at end of launch guide too slow (40ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H178 speed at end of launch guide too slow (38ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H125 speed at end of launch guide too slow (34ft/s)
failedG Cesaroni H100 speed at end of launch guide too slow (31ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H170 speed at end of launch guide too slow (42ft/s)
failedG AeroTech H45 speed at end of launch guide too slow (25ft/s)
failedG AeroTech I161 speed at end of launch guide too slow (43ft/s)
failedG AeroTech I140 speed at end of launch guide too slow (38ft/s)
failedG AeroTech I49 speed at end of launch guide too slow (18ft/s)
failedG AeroTech I59 speed at end of launch guide too slow (36ft/s)

G These simulations were run with a launch guide length of 4ft (rod, rail or tower). If this is not correct, launch guide lengths can be specified for your saved rockets. (The minimum velocity required is approximately 15m/s or 50ft/s.)

Download the Results

The data is presented in a compact form in the tables above, broken down by motors that worked and those that did not. If you would like to analyze the data further, this section provides download links for files in a generic spreadsheet format (comma-separated value, or CSV) that can be opened with almost any spreadsheet program.

CSV Excel   Download full details of the simulation runs with the various motors:
Unable to generate download file from guide run!
Client: 54.224.235.183
Protocol: HTTP/1.1
URI: /motorguide.jsp
Method: GET
Query: rocket=4219

java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/orgthrus/public_html/guide/VARTZSG/PML_1/4_Patriot-results-pass.csv (No such file or directory)

  1. java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
  2. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179)
  3. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:131)
  4. java.io.FileWriter.(FileWriter.java:73)
  5. org.thrustcurve.sim.GuideExporter.export(GuideExporter.java:100)
  6. org.thrustcurve.jsp.GuideResultATag.doTag(GuideResultATag.java:184)
  7. org.thrustcurve.jsp.SimpleTagBase.doStartTag(SimpleTagBase.java:16)
  8. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspx_meth_tc_005fguideResultA_005f0(motorguide_jsp.java:1062)
  9. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspService(motorguide_jsp.java:988)
  10. org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:98)
  11. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  12. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:371)
  13. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:308)
  14. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:259)
  15. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  16. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:269)
  17. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:188)
  18. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:213)
  19. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:172)
  20. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:127)
  21. org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:117)
  22. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:108)
  23. org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:174)
  24. org.apache.jk.server.JkCoyoteHandler.invoke(JkCoyoteHandler.java:200)
  25. org.apache.jk.common.HandlerRequest.invoke(HandlerRequest.java:291)
  26. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.invoke(ChannelSocket.java:775)
  27. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.processConnection(ChannelSocket.java:704)
  28. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket$SocketConnection.runIt(ChannelSocket.java:897)
  29. org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:689)
  30. java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

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Unable to generate download file from guide run!
Client: 54.224.235.183
Protocol: HTTP/1.1
URI: /motorguide.jsp
Method: GET
Query: rocket=4219

java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/orgthrus/public_html/guide/VARTZSG/PML_1/4_Patriot-results-fail.csv (No such file or directory)

  1. java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
  2. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179)
  3. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:131)
  4. java.io.FileWriter.(FileWriter.java:73)
  5. org.thrustcurve.sim.GuideExporter.export(GuideExporter.java:100)
  6. org.thrustcurve.jsp.GuideResultATag.doTag(GuideResultATag.java:184)
  7. org.thrustcurve.jsp.SimpleTagBase.doStartTag(SimpleTagBase.java:16)
  8. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspx_meth_tc_005fguideResultA_005f1(motorguide_jsp.java:1083)
  9. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspService(motorguide_jsp.java:992)
  10. org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:98)
  11. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  12. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:371)
  13. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:308)
  14. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:259)
  15. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  16. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:269)
  17. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:188)
  18. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:213)
  19. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:172)
  20. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:127)
  21. org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:117)
  22. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:108)
  23. org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:174)
  24. org.apache.jk.server.JkCoyoteHandler.invoke(JkCoyoteHandler.java:200)
  25. org.apache.jk.common.HandlerRequest.invoke(HandlerRequest.java:291)
  26. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.invoke(ChannelSocket.java:775)
  27. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.processConnection(ChannelSocket.java:704)
  28. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket$SocketConnection.runIt(ChannelSocket.java:897)
  29. org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:689)
  30. java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

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Unable to generate download file from guide run!
Client: 54.224.235.183
Protocol: HTTP/1.1
URI: /motorguide.jsp
Method: GET
Query: rocket=4219

java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/orgthrus/public_html/guide/VARTZSG/PML_1/4_Patriot-results-all.csv (No such file or directory)

  1. java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
  2. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179)
  3. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:131)
  4. java.io.FileWriter.(FileWriter.java:73)
  5. org.thrustcurve.sim.GuideExporter.export(GuideExporter.java:100)
  6. org.thrustcurve.jsp.GuideResultATag.doTag(GuideResultATag.java:184)
  7. org.thrustcurve.jsp.SimpleTagBase.doStartTag(SimpleTagBase.java:16)
  8. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspx_meth_tc_005fguideResultA_005f2(motorguide_jsp.java:1104)
  9. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspService(motorguide_jsp.java:997)
  10. org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:98)
  11. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  12. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:371)
  13. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:308)
  14. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:259)
  15. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  16. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:269)
  17. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:188)
  18. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:213)
  19. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:172)
  20. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:127)
  21. org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:117)
  22. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:108)
  23. org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:174)
  24. org.apache.jk.server.JkCoyoteHandler.invoke(JkCoyoteHandler.java:200)
  25. org.apache.jk.common.HandlerRequest.invoke(HandlerRequest.java:291)
  26. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.invoke(ChannelSocket.java:775)
  27. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.processConnection(ChannelSocket.java:704)
  28. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket$SocketConnection.runIt(ChannelSocket.java:897)
  29. org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:689)
  30. java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

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Unable to generate download file from guide run!
Client: 54.224.235.183
Protocol: HTTP/1.1
URI: /motorguide.jsp
Method: GET
Query: rocket=4219

java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/orgthrus/public_html/guide/VARTZSG/PML_1/4_Patriot-smartsim-all.csv (No such file or directory)

  1. java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
  2. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179)
  3. java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:131)
  4. java.io.FileWriter.(FileWriter.java:73)
  5. org.thrustcurve.sim.GuideExporter.export(GuideExporter.java:100)
  6. org.thrustcurve.jsp.GuideResultATag.doTag(GuideResultATag.java:184)
  7. org.thrustcurve.jsp.SimpleTagBase.doStartTag(SimpleTagBase.java:16)
  8. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspx_meth_tc_005fguideResultA_005f3(motorguide_jsp.java:1124)
  9. org.apache.jsp.motorguide_jsp._jspService(motorguide_jsp.java:1008)
  10. org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:98)
  11. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  12. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:371)
  13. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:308)
  14. org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:259)
  15. javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:729)
  16. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:269)
  17. org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:188)
  18. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:213)
  19. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:172)
  20. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:127)
  21. org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:117)
  22. org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:108)
  23. org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:174)
  24. org.apache.jk.server.JkCoyoteHandler.invoke(JkCoyoteHandler.java:200)
  25. org.apache.jk.common.HandlerRequest.invoke(HandlerRequest.java:291)
  26. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.invoke(ChannelSocket.java:775)
  27. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.processConnection(ChannelSocket.java:704)
  28. org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket$SocketConnection.runIt(ChannelSocket.java:897)
  29. org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:689)
  30. java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

Please let us know about this problem (including the above info).

the list of motors that fit your rocket into a batch for use with SMARTSim. (See the Simulators page for more info.)

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